Every once in a while, we will post a "Question of the Day" for everyone to discuss. We can talk about how we would all handle certain situations and get different perspectives on the issues from both nannies and employers. I present to you our first problem:
Yesterday, I got an email from an upset nanny because her boss canceled on her because of heavy snow. Her boss, worrying about her safety, told her not to bother coming into work. The nanny appreciated the employer's concern, but was upset that she wasn't going to be paid for the day and her rent is due in a few days. What do you guys think about the situation? Should nannies be paid when their work day is canceled by their employer? On one hand, the nanny obviously won't be doing any work for the parent, so should she get paid when she is told she can stay home? On the other hand, its not her fault that it snowed (or whatever the reason may be for the employer canceling) and she depends on every paycheck. Opinions? Comments can be posted anonymously, so feel free to talk away!
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She should get paid. Its not her fault the mom cancelled on her. Most moms won't pay, though. Maybe some sort of compromise- half pay or something?
I am a nanny, and have been for almost 10 years. If I was planning on coming to work, and my employer says "NO" then I do expect to be paid for that day. Just like when my family would go on vacation for 2 weeks every summer. It is their choice to not have me work, not mine, so I should be compensated for that.
I am a nanny, and have been for almost 10 years. If I was planning on coming to work, and my employer says "NO" then I do expect to be paid for that day. Just like when my family would go on vacation for 2 weeks every summer. It is their choice to not have me work, not mine, so I should be compensated for that.
I agree with the last poster- nannies should be paid when bosses cancel. Parents would be upset to find out that their own jobs were canceled sometimes without payment, so they shouldn't do that to their nannies
I don't have a nanny anymore but when I did we had an agreement. I could cancel her with 24 hours notice and not pay, she could also miss a day with 24 hours notice. If she called in sick, she didn't get paid because I had to replace her for the day, if I called her to tell her not to come that day but she was prepared to, I paid her for the day, like a pp said, it's not her fault. I didn't pay her for days we had agreed she wouldn't work, family vacations etc.
To the parent who posted.
I always get paid my weekly salary. That is why it is called "salary", if the bosses take a family day, go on vacation, or they have off for a holiday and tell me I can stay home... even if I take a sick day, need some "personal" time to go to the Dr. etc...I get paid.
However, we agreed upon this apon my hire and have a contract with the details.
I'm a nanny and a waitress. On my way to work the other day my boss (at the restaurant) called and said they were really really slow and not to come in. I didn't expect to get paid for that day. Therefore, I would not expect to get paid for not doing any (nanny) work, unless there was a contract signed that stated otherwise.
It all comes down to the fact that if you want to get paid for those days when you don't work, you need a contract that states that. I learned the hard way that you need a nanny contract. Some, not all, families, like the one I currently work for, will walk all over you if you do not have a contract. The family I work for take days off all the time, and don't pay me for it. My theory is that if they are getting paid for the time they took off, why shouldn't we?
none of my employers has (thankfully) ever denied me a day's pay for cancelling on me. i think in a 'traditional' career, you'd see the same thing- think of teachers, govt. workers, etc, they are still paid for days off, emergency closings, that sort of thing. come to think of it, if your boss is calling you off, he/she is probably getting compensated for it by their employer.
also, i've always been compensated for sick days i've taken. again, with a 'traditional' job you get a few sick, personal or vacation days paid. with my last job i got 1/2 compensation for their vacations, with this job i get full compensation.
just something each person has to work out with their employer or their nanny, i guess.
Of course the nanny should get paid. Most nannies are salary and if they by chance are not, the time they use to make money is most likely very valuable (college students, single moms,etc.). This is one thing the family i work for is very good with. Not often do i get sent home early or do they take a day off to just spend with the kids, which i know is b/c i am salary, but they go on lots of little mini-trips, and continue with my salary. Nannies and Families should work out a deal ahead of a time as far as paid sick/personal days, paid vacation time and things of that nature so there is no confusion.
I too am a salary nanny. I really feel strongly that you should get paid if your boss cancels. Such as a daycare or private school requires you to pay no matter what. Even when they cancel... Nannies are apart of the family and not easy to replace so as an employer if you want to keep the good nanny you got pay her. It will be well worth it.
hey, this comment
"none of my employers has (thankfully) ever denied me a day's pay for cancelling on me."
was mine. i think i felt some pressure to anonymize myself because everyone else was =)
I am paid salary so either way I get paid. If my bosses dont want me a day, I still get the money. If you want to get paid for those days, you should be a salaried employee, I wouldnt do it any other way.
I'm a nanny that works part-time for two different families. Neither of them pays me salary, and if they cancel, I don't get paid. : ( Its totally not fair!
What about if the nanny cancels (due to snow) instead of the mom? Should the nanny still get paid?
My family takes days off constantly, and i still get paid, because i don't get the day off. i am here 10 hours a day 5 days a week... no matter what... unless it is one of the 5 or so pre-scheculed holidays or the one week pre-scheduled vacation, or i take one of my very few sick/personal days (i get 5 total a year)
I am and alwasy have been paid for time when a family has let me know they won't need me. If a family told me up front (when we negoiate a contract) that they could cancel me at will, and I would get paid, I would either not work for them, or consider myself a per diem worker and request a higher pay rate.
My last post should have said if they could cancel me and I wouldn't get paid I would consider myself per diem and request a higher rate. Didn't really make sense...sorry :)
i think the person who asked about the nanny canceling is a good question...should she get paid? i would say that if she has a valid excuse and she doesn't cancel very often, then yes, she should. if its a recurring thing, you should talk to her about it and maybe start to cut back on paying her. none of the nannies that i know, though, call off unless they absolutely have to...
My first nannying job was part time, but run through the parents' business so I got sick days, vacation, etc. They did not, however, pay me for days that they canceled (though I can't remember more than 1). With one of the nannying jobs I have now, I have not had this situation, but I have been offered compensation for a break in my regular day, and for travel (even though we both know I live a mere blocks away). I think that the nanny's time is valuable and that she should be compensated (at least half pay) for the day if the parent cancels, especially last minute. As for the snow situation, I think that it is a little different than the I-just-decided-to-take-a-day-off situation, because neither person can control the weather. If the parent gets the day paid for a snow day, then they should think about this and offer to pay the nanny some for their time.
You should most def get paid..salaried or not, (unless you are able to "make it up") These are their children after all, and sometimes you might have to find additional care, that part of the nanny package. Obviously if your nanny is taking advantage of you, then a little chat is in order. Most nannies like their jobs, and if they feel like they are treated well, they will not purposely leave you in a bind.
Here's a radical thought -
Despite popular belief - nannies have lives outside of their employer's family!!!!!
These lives include (but are certainly not limited to) BILLS, a family of their own, a social life, and other various obligations.
Good employers who have respect for their employee beyond their own selfish interests know this.
Good employers know that:
If they decide to take a two week vacation that does not mean their nanny can afford to miss two weeks pay!
If they decide to cancel the nannies services for a day when the nanny was scheduled to work - they are in fact obligated to pay their nanny. (Keep in mind - if you take your child to a daycare and decide to keep that child home for a day - YOU ARE STILL REQUIRED TO PAY!)
Nannies are human beings who get sick. We try not to! We don't do it just to make you mad! But when we spend all day wiping your child's nose or cleaning up their puke, well, sometimes we get a germ or too. Good employers will give their nannies a designated amount of paid sick days per year! That's standard practice in any job, in any company, in any city in America. Why should nannies be treated any differently?
Good employers know that it's in their best interest to give their nannies paid vacation time. Every once in a while you just need to get away! Again, STANDARD PRACTICE, everywhere else. (A good nanny will not abuse this priviledge.)
Good employers know that it's not easy taking care of someone elses children. Good employers know that keeping a good nanny happy is paramount to keeping their family life running smoothly.
By the way, I am not living in a fantasy world. I am nanny who works for great people who respect me. I get all of these things listed above! They are not "perks", they were negotiated up front. Anything else would have been completely unacceptable.
Amen, sister! Congratulations on having fantastic employers! That is precisely how employees should be treated. You're luckier than a lot of us... : )
I'm the parent who posted - I think the people who psted after me hit the nail on the head by mentioning a contract. I had a contract with my nanny, we had an agreement in writing about days off, vacation, sick days cancellations etc. She was happy with it and so was I.
If you don't have a contract, or some sort of written agreement, you're asking for trouble.
She should be paid because the mom cancelled on her. If the nanny called in to say she wouldn't be working, the mom shouldn't have to pay. The issue with nannies is that they don't always have sick/snow/vacation days, so they may really depend on every hour to pay the bills.
I posted above ("Here's a radical thought . . . ") and I have to add that I agree with the whole contract thing wholeheartedly. If you don't have a contract you are just setting yourself up to be taken advantage of. If you don't have one though, it's not too late to renegotiate. If the parents like you they will usually bend over backwards to keep you around. Confrontation is never fun, but as a nanny without a Human Resources Department or a Labor Union helping you, you have to be willing to stand up for yourself.
My advice - in the most non-threatening manner possible tell your employers that you need a contract or you will be forced to start looking for another job. If you can not afford to get inconsistent payments then your employers need to know that. If you give them the option of making you salary (plus giving you sick days, etc.) they might just suprise you and give it too you to keep you around. Finding a new nanny who fits in with the family is not an easy task!
she should get paid. this was not her cancelling, it was her employer. in all my nanny positions, i have always been paid if given a day off by my boss for whatever reason.
now, if i was the one that asked for a day off, i would know that in some cases i may not be paid, depending on the circumstances. no worries there.
If you can cancel and not pay, you have a babysitter, not a nanny. Nannies get paid a weekly salary, with vacations and paid holidays. Most also get some sick days.
12:13- I hope you are a baby-sitter and not an experienced nanny talking like that. Being a waitress is not to be compared to being a nanny honey.
The nanny should be paid and I agree with the people who mentioned the contract. It is KEY!
Of course she should be paid. She needs to sit down and work out a contract with her employer. Vacation, holidays, sick/personal days should be spelled out. The only time she should be docked is if she takes more than the agreed to days off. Contracts must be balanced, and equally fair to both parties. Employers who work need a nanny they can count on, and nannies need income they can count on.
In the business world, many companies do not pay their hourly employees if work is canceled (for any reason - slow, bad weather, etc...) If you are paid hourly, then I would expect not to be paid for this time, but to have the option of using one of your sick or personal days so that you can still receive pay.
If you are salaried, you should still be paid if your employer canceled work.
My ex husbands company policy was if they canceled work BEFORE the start of the work day, you were not paid (if you were hourly), but if they started the day and then closed early, the employee was paid for the full day.
I always pay my nanny when I ask her not to come, but I would like more input on the opposite situation. Today it is snowing hard in Chicago. My nanny called me from her BED (she did not even get out of bed and try to get here) and said that the weather is too awful and she is not coming to work. Now, it is snowing HARD. But my son had school and I had to get him there, despite also having a baby asleep upstairs. I could not get my car out of the garage and ended up having to walk my son to school in the snow. So, yes, it is really bad out. But, all the teachers made it to school, along with most of the kids, while my nanny is lying blissfully at home in bed. I do offer my nanny paid sick days, and she almost never calls in sick. But in this case, she was not claiming to be sick. She just did not want to drive. Do I pay her for the day?
Ethically, I think the nanny should be paid. It was not her choice not to work that day.
I had a similar situation last year with the family I am currently employed with. As I was literally getting in my car to drive to work, the mother called to say that her plans had changed and she would not be needing me that day. She ended the conversation with "Enjoy your day off!" In her mind, she thought that me not working that day would be a "bonus". In reality, I got to spend the day concerned about weither or not I would be able to make my rent with this lessened paycheck...
Should nannys get compensated for travelling with their employers.
A nanny is paid a salary 52 weeks a year. If she is paid by the hour, or day, she is a babysitter.
A nanny agreement should include vacation, sick/personal days, and what holidays she gets off. If the nanny asks for more days off, she is not paid. If the employer cancels or goes on vacation, they are to pay the nanny's regular salary.
I'm so glad someone brought this up! I'm having this problem with my employer right now. Tonight when she got home she asked, but more so told me I wouldn't be getting paid for tomorrow because I would be making up the snow day I had off 2 weeks ago. I was pissed! For one, this happened 2 weeks ago why is she just bringing it up now? Two, she should have given me more notice! I do have a contract for this job but she recently modified it because some things changed and since it's a new year. But she hasn't printed one out for me, I only looked hers over.. so I forget if it even says anything about snow days, or any other day she cancels. I'm just so frustrated and feel taken advantage of. I depend on those paychecks every week and it really effects me when she cancels and decides to deduct a day's pay from my check. I don't think it's fair! Why should I not get paid for a day that I'm keeping available for this family? It's not my fault and I'm not the one who canceled so I SHOULD be getting paid regardless if she needs me or not!!
I am a mother who employs a full time nanny and I am also a business owner who hires freelance staff frequently. The employer should definitely pay the nanny if they cancel last minute. This is out of the nanny's control and does not allow for them to schedule another job/babysitting gig. I follow this same rule for my business. If a project cancels last minute and I can not rebook my staff then they get paid.
If an employer expects a childcare provider to be available when needed then they should be compenated for the time they are dedicating to your family. Come on moms - if you called in sick or your boss said don't show up wouldn't you expect to still be paid??
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The family I work with hired me for part time day help. I soon found out that their definition of "part time" included a variety of hours at different times of the day. We then made an agreement that I will be available to them (should they need me) from 6:30am - 6:30pm Monday thru Friday, and that they would pay me for a minimum of 50 hours per 2week pay period, regardless of how little they called me in. Any weeks that I work over the minimum, they pay hourly. I also requested to know a week in advance when they'll need me, so now I don't feel like their taking advantage of my time and I have a secured base pay each month.
If the family takes a day off - including holidays, they still owe me the weekly minimum. However if I take a day off and it cuts into my 50hr minimum, then it is deducted from that weeks paycheck.
I am a nanny, and a previous preschool teacher. I think that a nanny should get paid if the parent cancels. I also feel that a nanny should get a particular amount of paid leave days, just as with any other job. If I miss a day due to boss not needing me or snow, then I do get paid but have to make up those hours. If I take a day off, I do not get paid. But, if my boss is planning a vacation I do not get paid. I do think I SHOULD get paid for a few days , such as these vacation days, just as anyone would at a regular job for being off on a holiday. Its only fair.
Not only does my employer pay me if he cancels (this was agreed upon before I was hired), he also will call me with surprise "vacation" days that do not come from my pooled vacation to show his appreciation. "You can come by if you want, but it's such a nice day, why don't you take off with pay? I'll work from home today."
My previous clients have also paid me if they canceled. They also pay for a certain number of sick days throughout the year. Even my weekend clients understand that I need time off, and are agreeable to me taking a day off now and then to recharge.
I always tell parents my position as a nanny is just as important as your position! What you expect from your employer return the position as an employer! She get's paid! No questions asked! Parents have to understand that this is our "career" not a "babysitting job"! If your a doctor or lawyer - we see you as professionals just like we are, ourselves. What I would do in a situation like this, if my employer was saying "don't come in because it's not safe" Most likely I would say "pay me for 1/2 day" or "I'm willing to make up the hours for a date night" etc. etc. I like to be fair to parents I work for. But I refuse to be walked all over!
I am a nanny. If the employer cancelled, the nanny should be paid for the day. She had committed that day to the employer (and not another employer) and expected(needed) to have that money.
If, however, the nanny cancelled, the same principle applies: the employer has committed that day to her job, and is expecting to get paid. If the nanny cancels, the employer has to stay home with her kid, and therefore cannot get HER day's pay. We're all struggling here, turn-about , golden rule all that
I'm a nanny too. You have to look at nanny work like any other job. If you're guaranteed a certain amount of hours, then rain or shine, you get paid for those hours. The parents cancelled, not the nanny.
She should get paid. If it snows at a normal job, you are still expected to come into work. If the kids have a snow day, and the parents do too, she should still be allowed to come to work and get paid. If a set schedule has been made, those days should be followed.
If the family makes the decision for the nanny to not work that day, the nanny should still get paid. That INCLUDES vacations.
I manage my granddad's caregiver and she just began working with us about a month and a half ago so, she is on-call right now as we align our schedules. We have yet to offer her a salary; however, I am impressed with her thusfar. However, she receives cash pay on every other visit. She is gradually becoming a part of our family. Therefore, when speaking of "no pay for no work contribution", I believe it devalues the manny's or nanny's role in the family. His/her role is priceless. Therefore, I encourage whoever hires a nanny to show appreciation and compassion or draft a contract that reflects appreciation and compassion.
PAID for sure. I get paid the agreed weekly salary regardless of days they chose not to have me around.
That's a really difficult situation for a nanny to be in. I've had to stay home from work for various reasons, including when the office was closed for the day. I didn't get paid either. It's really a difficult situation.
A nanny should ALWAYS get paid whether or not the parents need her!!!!!! Us nannies rely on our weekly salary and should not suffer if the parent chooses not to use our services for that day!!!
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